Vincent M. Ward on The Walking Dead, Sports, Career

This is Fred Richani of the Sports Courier. I am joined by a very special guest. He is Vincent M Ward AKA Oscar of The Walking Dead. He is the working actor’s working actor doing his thing now, he’s still fighting zombie apocalypses even though he was kicked off the show or I should say killed off the show sorry. It’s just said, spoiler alert, what the hell happened in La, man. Oh man. I don’t know what’s going on here man, we got fires. We got earthquakes I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a tornado soon. So, I don’t know what’s going on, man. I think people don’t know how to drive and running into and stuff as well.

So, sorry. I had to do this for my cell phone, but all the power and stuff is off right now sorry. And it literally went off like two minutes before I called you, right? Yeah. No, I’ll take that back. It was probably about an hour. So I was flipping out then I had to download Skype on to my phone and all types of stuff, but you know, I made it happen. I didn’t want to disappoint anybody. So I’m here. Hey, well, we definitely appreciate the time now, of course, you are most famous for being on The Walking Dead as Oscar personally and I’m not just saying this because you’re on right now.

I did feel like you could have been on the show a little bit longer since you showed some great character depth. That’s all right. You made the most of the opportunity. What’s this last year been like for you. Now being known as Oscar not just Vincent M Ward actor? Oh, man. It’s been great, man. You know, going out different places and you know, a lot of times people don’t know your name. So, they just call you your character name Oscar and I’ve gotten to the point that I turned around. Hey, so, especially going to these conventions and meeting people and talking to people on Twitter and Facebook and stuff is a lot of times they don’t understand that it’s really all right.

Well, we’ll try to get Vincent back here. There’s a power out this like the curse of the walking dead, man. I interviewed Nick G. Okay, so I’ll call. All right, then I guess I will hit up Mr. Ward again, for those that don’t know. There’s like the curse of like The Walking Dead here. Like I interviewed Nick Gomez a few weeks ago who played Tomas one of the inmates on The Walking Dead. And there was a power outage, I set up an interview with another guy there was a power outage. And now Skype failed here. So, let’s try this one more time and let’s see if we could break The Walking Dead curse on the sports Cory.

All right. So, let’s do this. All right. I wish I had some fancy music to play for you guys as it’s counting down, this has to be some like cruel prank from like the zombie gods or something. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay, well, I’ll let him call me back in the meantime for anybody that’s tuning into the Sports Courier for the very first time just want to let you know, know what we’re all about. We’re all about giving you guys exclusive interviews and in-depth coverage in sports entertainment and gaming we cover a lot of pro wrestling a lot of Combat Sports boxing mixed martial arts.

We’ve been expanding our coverage entertainment. I’ve interviewed ballet dancers actors fitness models. I mean, little little bit of everything if you like the NFL, if you like the NBA if you like pro wrestling, if you like mixed martial arts if you like The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad shows like that this is the channel for you. Now if you’re a regular subscriber to the Sports Courier. You should know by now. I just did an interview with impact wrestling star from Spike TV Austin Aries. I’ve done interviews with AJ Styles Christopher Daniels Diamond Dallas Page Carri tagawa of Mortal Kombat Martin Kove of The Karate Kid working on getting Michael J white of Spawn Fame and Tyler Perry Fame sometime in the next week or so I’m going to be doing some red carpet work in the Action Martial Arts Hall of Fame weekend in Atlantic City at the Tropicana Casino and Resort on Friday.

And yes, much like all of you, I am anxiously waiting for the next season Walking Dead, let’s try to get Vincent on here. All right, Mr. Ward you’re still on the air my man is everything. Good. Did you get attacked did you turn yall good. Hey, man, I don’t know what happened everything just went blank get off me. All good. All good my man. So I guess we’ll I guess we resume where from where we started you’re talking about how people are now recognizing you as Oscar not just that guy that they saw in this series and that series? What’s this ride been like for you the last year.

It’s been a great ride, man. It’s crazy because I would have never thought that my character Oscar would have got as much attention as it did you know, to be talking to people on Twitter and Facebook and you know, guys like you it’s humbling it makes me feel good. And makes me try even harder to you know, I call myself the people’s champ, first of all. So, if you’re on Twitter or if you’re on my Facebook page you’re talking to me. I don’t have anybody run anything for me. So, I’m not the type of person that I’mma if you say something wrong to me. I’mma let, you know, you said it, you know, I’m not going to sugarcoat anything.

I’mma give you the real and I’mma give you me. I like that. It’s kind of like kind of like the rock, you know, the people’s champ, maybe you’ll start side Dwayne Johnson one day. Yeah. Yeah, you know, sometimes people feel that they can say anything to you and you won’t say anything back that’s not me. I’m going say something back to you. I’m going say it in a respectful kind way, but a lot of times people don’t understand the it’s how you say things to people. So, you know, I’m all about respect. I’m all about having fun. And I’m all about the people that’s why I said the people’s Channel very nice his his must Axel’s mustache game is pretty tight.

Can you get on that level. No, I don’t want to get on that level. It’s crazy because we’ll see people at the airport and I’m like, man, his mustache is killing yours. And then Lou loua say. Well, ax say, I wonder what kind of mustache grease he’s using and then that’s when the conversation start then I got to sit there and listen to the whole mustache game or what whatever they do to keep their mustaches looking that way. So yeah, after to my man Lou Temple that’s my I call him. My brother from another mother. Yeah. You guys had some great chemistry. I could definitely see you guys, you know, H having some type of buddy, buddy cop, you know, comedy type of deal.

Like rush hour or something you guys were pretty funny together, you know what we’ve been approached about doing something like that. The whole Mel Gibson and was that Dan yeah, or Richard Pryor and Jean Wilder type thing. So we’ll see you never know. I mean, we met each other on the set, but we grown to actually be friends of the said as well. Now with The Walking Dead. I mean a lot of people die. I mean, if you’ve seen breaking bad. I mean a lot of people die in Breaking Bad as well, but it’s a little it’s a little more gradual over time. Whereas The Walking Dead.

It’s like one day, you know, hey, I like this Oscar guy. You know, next episode like, oh crap, he’s dead how’ you feel when they told you that Oscar was getting killed off. Well, you know, at the beginning they tell you about how many episodes you’re going to do, but in the same breath. If a lot of shows like, well, you’re going to be on here. Maybe two or three episodes, but if they like you and the fans like you sometimes they keep you longer. It’s just like with my man, irony te dog. I think he was only supposed to do two episodes what he end up doing what two and a half three years.

So you never know you never know a lot of times. It’s up to the people. And so, you know, I really felt like after a while I had done something to make them. Keep me around a little longer, but you know, I guess I was wrong. Hey, it is what it is man. We definitely made the most out of the opportunity. And one thing that’s pretty cool in this day and age and has been for a few years now is the development of like the C convention scene yo ComiCon Ward world. I mean, man, there’s like a convention almost every week going on around the world.

Have you had a chance to experience that convention scene. It’s absolutely bananas. I love getting out meeting people sitting there at the tables and stuff, man, just doing the meet and greets. Actually yesterday, I did something for days of the Dead. My first convention this year be at days of the Dead in Atlanta February 7th through the 9th and they was doing like a documentary and we were at a cemetery yesterday during the interview unfortunately the security guy came and made them delete everything we had just talked about so, oh my God now. So, I mean, it’s all good. We can we’ll do it again and I don’t mind.

It’s part. It’s part of the job. It’s part of the career if you can’t if you don’t have time for your people. Then you signed up for the wrong job. No, of course, and with all the conventions everything that you said that was your first convention. I mean you realize that’s also a new Revenue stream or a relatively new Revenue stream for actors like yourself. I mean, there’s guys that, you know, we’re on for a cup of coffee and Breaking Bad or all these other places and they’re making a killing on the on these conventions are you happy with that whole scene. I mean, it’s pretty cool.

You ask me. Yeah, it’s definitely cool, man. It’s I think it’s more than just making the money too is interacting with the people who like I said before supports you and I even I was so in shock. My first convention. It was last year. In Cherry Hill New Jersey. And I was just in awe I couldn’t believe all the people that were there and like I said, I never even knew that side of the business. So, but I’m glad that I’m part of it. And I get to see some people that I haven’t seen in a long time, you know, when I met George The Animal steel, man.

I couldn’t believe it. I was just and raki, you know people from the wrestling WWF world. So, it’s definitely you can be a fan yourself. I’m not too big that I can’t be a fan of somebody else’s and you said the magic word wrestling we actually cover a lot of pro wrestling on this channel. Are you a wrestling fan? Oh man. I go back like you said The Rock the days of the Rock and Stone Cold, Steve Austin to me those was the best times and the most entertaining times. You know, with The Undertaker and you know, Vince McMahon when he was strutting down the runway and Shane McMahon that’s when I really loved it man.

You and going, hey, even going back Mr. Wrestling number two, Super Destroyer the people with the mask Coco beware and you can never ever forget woo The Four Horsemen baby Ric Flair would always be my man, man. They don’t make those wrestlers like they used to do you still watch today or are you one of those disenchanted fans that just wishes. It was still like it was back in the day. I wish it was what I wish it was like it was back in the day sometime, I might, you know, go come across it or whatnot. But it’s there everything today is Extreme. You got to be extreme this, you got to be extreme that.

So I just like back in the day with Tully Blancher and AR and oie Anderson, Ric Flair, the original four heartman. That’s what I like and did you hear about their Network announcement at all. H did you hear about the WWE Network announcement at all how it’s like they’re launching a network in a couple weeks. It’s a full online streaming Network. I can believe it I can believe it, but because you know that it actually give more more it give more guys opportunities and ladies to wrestle because they’re going to need a lot of people because you know, a lot of people say that wrestling is fake.

But people get hurt for real those injuries are serious, you know, to do that every day almost and put your body through that. So, if it stream stream all day. Then it’s going to be a lot of people to get jobs and that’s important and likewise. Do you think it could create jobs throughout the entertainment industry because not just WWE network, but say WWE Network succeeds and you saw with Netflix. I mean Walking Dead’s like besides breaking bads like the most popular show on Netflix. That’s how a lot of people are catching up on the seasons. You got House of Cars, you know, Robin Wright just W of Golden Globes if WWE Network succeeds and Netflix continues to have successful series.

Do you see more opportunities open up for actors like yourself and maybe other networks saying? Hey, let’s try this online digital thing. Oh, most definitely because I they’ve actually been producing movies for some years now, you know, Vince McMahon is a genius. I don’t care what people think about him. I mean, he puts his name behind stuff and also a lot of these wrestlers names or nicknames. He owns them. So, you know, it’s money to be made for upand cominging people and people like myself. So, and you have a really oh go ahead, man. I was about to say Vince call me call him Vince now you have a really interesting story my man.

I mean, you were a standout athlete, you know, especially at basketball and I mean? Just I could kind of tell the story in a nutshell, but I wouldn’t do ad Justice. Can you tell people how you got started in acting, I find it really interesting. Once again, you know, I would say I didn’t pick it and picked me. I was working at a factory in Dayton. Ohio got hurt on a job end up working at a shoe store champ sports. In Dayton end up being a number one salesman moved to Columbus Ohio became the number one salesman there one day the GM came and said how far you want to take it in this company.

I said, I would like to have a position yours one day couple weeks later I was fired I was told by my director whatever. I told to the general manager. That’s the reason why I had to let me go couple weeks after that went and saw my very first play had never even seen a play ever in my life. I just end up falling into that went in there and I told my told myself that there. I said, I can do that couple weeks later they had auditions for that. Same play company, went an audition got a part and a few weeks after that who calls tries to call me back and give me my job back Champs.

And I told him. No, I found something that I love to do. So I see the path of me getting out of dating getting out of Columbus and now being here in Los Angeles California and what a great story now. You were also a standout athlete. And I believe you could have even gone pro in basketball, but you had another gig that was pretty damn good at the time, right? Yeah, man. I was a I was a dancer in the rap group me and my dance partner we win all the dance contest back in the midwest. I’m 6’4. He was 65 and we called ourselves night and day, but nobody can out dance us and what happened is.

We start we joined a rap group and we would open up shows for like Public Enemy salt and pepper special. And you know, big groups and we were touring. So, you know, being a high school basketball star you get letters from every college and I was also nominated a McDonald’s All-American with Chris Weber and Jaylen Rose and them back then, but I didn’t want to go straight to college. I wanted to tour in my rap group and we was actually signed to the same record label was Vanilla Ice itch your bound records back in Atlanta Georgia. So from there. After a couple years U my mom got a call from a coach in Chicago from a univers from a college and asked did I still if I still play ball and she said?

Yeah, I left the rap group and went back to school. So that’s how happen and performing with all those groups and everything did that help you at all when you went into acting because IID imagine. I mean pressure I mean, hey, you were recruited by all these colleges all these Scouts, you know, you got to perform with all these big stars were did you still get any nerves when you were acting, you know what of course. I still get nerves, but I think I’ve always had the entertainment blood in me. You know, because I was the type of guy I would dance on the basketball court after after I did something, you know a huge dunk or a pretty pass or something like that.

So by me having entertainment blood in me. I think it sort of ran over into my acting, but I mean, I still get nervous, you know, but it’s I think it’s more of I’m ready to do this nervous than I’m scared to do this nervous because I’ve been patient and I’m ready. I’m ready. Definitely now, are you ready? For some fan questions because we got a number of them here. Sure, okay, this one right here from J George? I am an aspiring actor done a couple movies, but nothing big time yet. I’m just wondering what rookie mistake should I avoid as an actor. Rookie mistakes that you should avoid is wanting to do everything.

You don’t you’re not obligated to do everything one thing that I’ve learned that your time. Is more precious than anything and a lot of times people like oh man. Hey, Jay come over here. I got I want you to do this? I want you to do that. And then they won’t even not only they won’t feed you hell they won’t even give you something to eat. That’s the least people can do is give you something to drink and eat when you’re on the set all day. Especially if you’re doing a Andy pended film or give a guys give somebody some gas money, you know, my thing is I always say be ready.

So, you don’t have to get ready. What I mean by that is have your head shots together, have your business card with your updated. Numbers and emails if you’re fortunate to have a manager or agent have them contact them because sometimes as the actor. We just want to do it all and it’s not necessary to do it all because you might say. Okay, I’m going to do this for you. And then your agent or manager be like, oh, no. No, no. No. You have something else. That’s going to pay you and it’s not all about the money. It’s all about connecting and networking, but you still have to be smart about your business.

So that’s what I would say. And I actually have a follow-up question about that because I saw your website and your resume and real and your real is pretty tight. I mean, how important is it to have great representation in people that really look out for you because I see it all the time when I’m covering like I mean, particularly Combat Sports guys like Boxers mixed martial artists. It’s like they don’t have real managers and publicists when obviously that’s pretty helpful. Well, you know what a lot of stuff. I do on my own, you know, you can’t wait for somebody to Live Your Dream. You have to live your dream you that just because you have an agent or manager that doesn’t mean that you don’t have to go out and do it.

Go out and pursue it and get stuff on your own, but what you do is once you get it. You connecting with your people. So everything, you know, the contracts and everything to be done right. Like a lot of stuff. That’s on my real is not from my agent and manager, you know, I’ve changed agents and managers over the years. It’s just up to you to if you want to deal with them basically sending you out for the same roles. It’s just like me that’s because I’m big doesn’t mean I have to be the bouncer in security all the time I can be the father, I can be the love entrance.

So, you know, just make sure your business is done, right? And have your stuff together have your real together. Just because it’s something small never think like that because that small Ro, you might look good doing that small row never put on your real a part that the person that you’re doing the scene with is out acting. You never do that. That’s true. And you mentioned typ casting have you lost any roles because you straight up said, you know what man. I’m better than this. I don’t need to be typ cast as The Bodyguard or inmate all the time. Well, you know what I U I have new management or whatnot and they I tell them from the get-go.

We’re not doing that. I’m not doing the fives and five and unders. I’ve been a bodyguard Security on every show and that doesn’t it you have to strive for better. You know, sometimes people do those type of roles all the time and just because and it’s like they just want to say yeah. I was on that or I did that to me. You’re a attention, you know, don’t sell yourself short why I have a new saying and it’s called why not me. Why not why I can’t be the doctor why I can’t be the lawyer, you know, so strive to be better and dream bigger.

So you don’t have to continue to do the same roads all the time. So I’m not I tell my people upfront. I’m not going to do it and it’s no, it’s not being disrespectful or is not about having an ego, sometimes, you know, I’ve been in a business for a minute now and you have to put your foot down or else people are they’re just keep seeing you as that same security or bouncer. Well said. Now, I understand you had five parts on Everybody Hates Chris how that how’d that work out, you know what I was Terry Crews’s personal stand in and a stand in is like a person Who’s acting like Terry, you know, I’m basically do his lines getting the lighting together getting the sound together.

And so a lot of times. We would have co-stars or guest stars on the show and a lot of times, the people that were the stand-ins were better actors than the people that they hired. So, they got to the point like why not hire our standin to do these parts. And so that’s how I end up become being so many different characters on this show, but I tell you this. I remember our fourth season. And we were we didn’t know if we was going to go into the fifth season and Terry Terry Crews took me to the side. And he said, if we come back next season.

I don’t want you to come back as my stand in he said because you’re too talented to be somebody stand in and I told him. Thank you, I told him, thank you. But and I also said, But I wasn’t coming back next season to be anybody standing. That’s a hell of that’s a hell of a praise too from accomplished guy Terry Crews man. Yeah Terry’s Terry’s like my brother him and his wife used to come to my plays or whatnot. And it made me feel good that they respected me as being on the same level as them without me having to say I’m on the same level.

As y’all and honestly, I think I’m the only guy the only stand in who had a stand in because a lot of times. I would call off because I was out doing my own thing once again, just, you know, the stand in. Okay. Yeah, I was getting some checks you pay some bills, but in the same breath, my mental and my drive was bigger than me just being a stand in I already knew that I’m supposed to be right where you are and I’m supposed to have a stand in. Yeah. Now with Terry Crews. I mean, it’s interesting. He kind of had the same thing going for him at the beginning of his career, too.

I mean, every time you just be the token Big Jack dude have the funny line. And then he had you of course the lead role and Everybody Hates Chris and you know, got a bunch of other opportunities. Do you kind of see yourself s kind of mirroring his career a little bit and look at him as inspiration because he was a guy that could have stayed doing those roles and probably gotten a hundred of those roles, but he would never really progressed his career and taken it to another level. Yeah, it’s just like I was watching him. The new show. He’s on the 911 show and they won a Golden Globe the other night I was very happy for him, but honestly, my mentality is not winning a I would like to win a Golden Globe, but my man my thing is I want an Oscar.

I want a rooll that’s deep that’s juicy that people like you know what that dude. He’s a good he’s a great actor. And that’s what that’s where I’m at right now. I just don’t want to do something just to be doing something I want to do something that going to mean something to people and right here Jeff asks. You’re a baller who’s your favorite NBA team and why is the Eastern Conference. So bad the Eastern Conference is so bad because the western conference is so good. I’m from Ohio man. So I have to roll with LeBron James LeBron, not only is he a great player, but he’s a great person.

Yeah, everybody was mad at him when he made that decision to go to Miami, but sometime life is about choices and you have to make the best choice for your life. And for your family’s life. He couldn’t consent continue to sit in Ohio and not win a championship, you know, I’ve always said this, you can look on my Twitter and my Facebook page. I will win an Oscar before any Ohio team in any sport wins a championship. I mean, the Reds the Indians the Bengal the Browns anybody and so yeah, I mean and plus Norris Cole. His dad works with my mom, you know, he plays for the Miami heater as well.

So, I mean I like the Miami Heat. I like the Miami Heat. I don’t know what’s going on with Dwayne way right now, but he needs to cut it out. Yeah, you know, in his personal life, but it happens. I think I’m going to get sick if I read another NBA player taking a break from his fiance. I just I don’t need to see that anymore. You know what dude if you take a break be smart on your break. Why are you raw dogging people man. Now you getting people pregnant and you’re going back home, that’s not cool. Yeah, you don’t want media takeout in TMZ on your ass.

You defin? Oh, no. No. We not. All right, this one doesn’t have to do with you. But I guess they’re asking you this cuz you’re on The Walking Dead will Daryl Dixon ever run out of arrows. No, he won’t because a lot of times after he shoots a zombie. He goes and takes it right out of him and puts it right back in his bag. So no. He won’t run out. He just shoot it and reuse it. All right is the governor really dead. Oh, I have no clue once you’re off the show you don’t know anything and honestly I watched the last 15 minutes of the last episode and that was the first time I watched The Walking Dead this year.

Wow. So yeah, who knows I saw that he got stabbed and then they showed him get shot at that’s it. If that’s the case I can say the same thing about Oscar. They showed him get shot. But then they showed him get shot at so who knows. Hey, maybe maybe it’s a swerve like pro wrestling, we saw the Undertaker, right? Didn’t he get buried by Yokozuna once and he came back. So, the Undertaker come back Oscar come back, right? Hey, we’ll see and I want to say this, you know, it’s this petition U going out about bringing Oscar back season. Five, first of all anybody at AMC.

Robert Kirkman anybody. I didn’t start the petition the people started the petition, you know, I don’t want anybody like, oh, he just wants to get back in the show. He’s dead, you know what my thing is if it happens. It happens. If it don’t I’m just like the billboard that they have up right now don’t look back. I’m Not Looking Back, you know, my focus is forward and it’s everybody’s focus should be, you know what no matter what I did in my past this has to be a better future and that’s how I’m thinking. It’s a better future for me if they welcome me back, you know what I’mma come back and I’m going to give 100% just like I’ve always done.

I’ve never leaked out anything because that’s not me. I’m not the spoiler alert person and honestly, I didn’t watch the show before I got on a show. So, don’t think just because they killed me off the show that I’m not watching it now. I didn’t watch it before I respect it more I respect everything that’s going on, but I’m not going kiss anybody’s ass to get back on anything. And that’s just being 100% real with you. Now I appreciate that. Now, we talked about your past and you’ve had a very interesting past, but what do you got coming up for the future as far as films and other projects?

Oh man, well, you can catch me on the new season on psych. The show is someone’s got a woody very funny episode. I shot a I’m shooting a pilot right now. Called Mirror Mirror I’m doing a play God there so much stuff going on? What’s the name of the Play Secrets I’m doing a short film called Spotlight. I’m doing another pilot called oh God something about the city enter in the city or something like that Oscar in the city. I like that live in the city live in the city and just doing some auditioning and stuff like that and getting in shape, you know, for the ladies and working on like a campaign like you know, how Billy D Williams was with Co 45 or whatnot.

So, you know, something like that keeping it smooth keeping it smooth and you’re a pretty jacked. Dude, did you ever think about besides you basketball and football and baseball and of course, being an actor. Do you ever think about being a pro wrestler because I mean you do have the physique you do have the size and guys your size do get more chances than guys that are say 510 511. Hey, man, I thought about it. Like they have when I first moved here to LA and back in 20002 2001, you know, how they had like the little major the little wrestling leagues or whatnot. And I came up with all these different moves and different names for the moves, but I’m not doing that, man that stuff hurt, man.

I remember being younger this older guy put me in his sleeper and he almost killed me. He almost choked me to death. So no I’m fine on that and I’ll get you out of here on this one this person asks. Who is your biggest inspiration and what piece of advice can you give anybody that wants to be in your shoes and become a success my biggest inspiration has to be my parents, you know, just seeing all the stuff they’ve gone through in their lives. Working at my dad work at GM my M’s a nuclear medicine technologist both of them retiring and also being fostered foster parents and seeing these foster kids leave their homes and coming back year after year thanking them for really being parents and not being no thanking them for treating them like part of the family and not just a paycheck, you know, I’ve always said I want to put myself in a position.

So one day that I will be able to take care of my parents because they’ve always been there for me and I always love them. So, they always be my inspiration. And for anybody out there just Inspire to be great and whatever job that you have, you know, inspired to do better. You know, J at champ sports? Yeah, I wanted to do I wouldn’t mind have a position like the general manager, you know, why not me. Why not you know, I do want to Oscar one day why not me sometimes you just got to say why not but in it in same breath. You have to rise and grind and get up every day to do something to better your life or better somebody else’s life because you know, you might help somebody?

And it might come back and help you later on, but you never do anything like that with a hidden agenda or do something for somebody to get something in return just do it from the heart. Well said, my man. That’s awesome. Well, listen, it’s been a pleasure talking you for near for nearly an hour. I wish you the very best and everything. Fans, if you want to find them online, ask Vincent mward on Twitter. He is the people’s Champion, just don’t tell the rock, although, you know what maybe you do want to tell Dwayne Johnson. Maybe he’ll say, you know what let’s get in the ring, you know, WrestleMania?

No, I’ll just be in there and be the guest referee like Mike Tyson back in the day that sounds good. And you can check him out also on Vincent mw.com. Do you also have a Facebook page. Yeah, Vincent M Ward very nice easy enough my man. Thank you so much for the time. It was a pleasure likewise.